Homeless Love

There is this Love nobody wants or needs.
There is this Love that stands in a way, disturbs natural flow of things.
There is this Love which cannot find its fulfillment, cannot find its expression, cannot find its manifestation.
There is this Love, which seems bad and rotten, it stinks, everybody turns away from it, runs away from it, Love that is a source of embrassment, source of unease, source of fear.... source of frustration and anger... bad Love... bad, rotten Love....

tbc...

This post was last edited by MadPole on 16-Aug-2006 at 05:42.

Duality

It is about duality and confusion that lies in perceptions… Love is considered to be one of the most uplifting and positive energies… everybody wants to be Loved, everybody wants Love in their lives… but here it is … Love nobody wants to claim… Love nobody wants to give a recognition too… “I want Love but not that kind of Love” says he or she… so what is Love? What is that You want? Do You want Love or are your requirements to do with indulging and pleasing your Ego? What is Love or, perhaps, what IS NOT Love? Duality, conflict and singularity… there is only ONE LOVE.. Love permutates everything… There is only one Love but many expressions and manifestations of it… can Love manifest itself in unloving fashion? And if so, what does that mean? That this particular Love is not “pure”.. but hold on.. there is only ONE LOVE, innit? I give You my Love but You don’t want it… what does it mean? Does it mean that You actually don’t want Love but something else? You don’t like the way it has been manifested? Or perhaps what I am trying to give You is not Love? How can we know? Who can put us right? Shouldn’t there be a “Love Court” which would establish what is really going on?

Trinity and Unity

There is Love… which can be split into 3 Holy parts: the object of Love, the carrier of Love and Love itself… my initial guess would be that:

Love = Father
Carrier of Love = Jesus
Object of Love = Holy Ghost

Can Love one carries be incompatible with carrier’s personality/trait? When and why does it happen and what does it mean? Isn’t it like Jesus raising against his Father? Or perhaps that’s the whole point about Jesus… he knew how to express Love inside him 100% so there were never any conflicts?
And what about the object of Love, the Holy Ghost if You please? Is it important at all? Is mirror crucial for establishing an existence of something?

Ownership

Then there is a question of ownership. Who this Love belongs to? Who is responsible for it? Who is supposed to look after it, protect it, defend it and help it to manifest itself?

This is bog standard problem with gifts. Who do they belong to? If the intended receiver does not want to accept the gift, the gift ends up in “no man’s land” – the giver doesn’t want it, the only purpose such gift can serve, no matter what it is, is the reminder of the rejection. So as far as giver is concerned, the gift belongs to the receiver from the moment the idea of the gift appeared. But receiver does not have any obligation, nor should he or she have, for something he/she does not want or need, hence the gift ends up without owner, hated or at least despised by both parties, causing discomfort, uneasiness and embarrassment.

RE: Ownership

Ownership questions gifts?? it's the thought that counts Tor tells me! Bloody gift receivers!! and Bloody love receivers too when we first talk about em.......jesus i have so much on my heart but words are cheap and i still have to keep the fire alive sitting on the river bank smoking cigars and drinking beers......Iceland hmmmm sounds interesting girls chessplayers and close to odin and tor...hmmmmm

Cheerse maddie!
From the north
the servant of life
Da FOffooooooooo

Selfish

Then there is a question of selfishness. Common concept of Love implies that Love is selfless. But Love needs a career/carer to express itself. And here is where the paradox starts: once Love has a career it ceases to be selfless.

RE: Selfish

Well Maddie noone have all the answers....but all seems too have the questions?.. Just relax be yourself when you face your loved one, and you find the answers you need.

The wilderness can't give all answers but damn close if we open ouer eyes.........


Foffo

GEE....

Well, what would you do if you were me? My mother is losing her mind and I have two severely handicapped sisters who cannot ever be left alone and they live with her. She slept with my boyfriend when I was sixteen; before that she sent me to the home of a pedophile as a babysitter to his children because his wife was taking astrology lessons from her...when do you begin and other people end?
And now, all of a sudden, she is crazy? I am responsible for her and my sisters? Well, I am, but the definition of "crazy" is going to be one that I spend some time with. When are you demented, in the early stages of alzheimers, or in the process of normal aging? When do people decide that you are fucked? When you cannot telll time? When you cannot read a calendar? None of which she can, anymore, but when could she?
Did she know what time it was when she sat my brother and I on the stairs and told us, in no uncertain terms, that she hated our father and wanted to leave him? My calendar read that I was nine, and my brother was ten....our father was a drunkard, a loser, she hated him and blah...according to our calendar, what were we supposed to do about it? My calendar also reads that he helped her with my handicapped sisters until his death, even after she divorced him, and lived with the three of them until the end of his life?
When does time begin, and when does it end? When does dementia begin?

RE: GEE....

Time never begins dear sq ..time is a human invention...and the word dementia too...we just goes back to ouer childhood when we becomes old thats all.

Sorry for all your pains during the years i hope and think your life is better now.

Best wishes and a nice chat in 397 kisses and hugs
old foffo

RE: GEE....

Some people do tend to show you love. Other people vanish, or look away. Others offer it conditionally. They will love you, as long as you are "not really" homeless. Or working toward a home, or whatever. Nobody is ever truly loved, anyway. That is what we invented God for.

RE: GEE....

And you are not welcome here?

RE: GEE....

And there is this boy, who loves too much, and doesn't know how to harness and tame his Love. The result? He is unable to express his Love in loving ways, so he feels uncomfortable in the company of people he loves, he doesn't know how to deal with them, he..... well... to cut long story short: he is forced to hate people he loves, and like people he hates.

Somehow this reminds me of Vonegutt and the story about the dog who had his tail cut off and therefore was reduced to endless.... no... sorry... the story was even better... yeah... this is it... the dog did not have a tail and therefore could not express his friendliness towards others.. and therefore always ended up bitten by other dogs and kicked by people.... all because he wanted to express his Love but had no means to do it...

RE: GEE....

quote: Dwayne's only companion at night was a Labrador retriever named Sparky. Sparky could not wag his tail--because of an automobile accident many years ago, so he had no way of telling other dogs how friendly he was. He had to fight all the time. His ears were in tatters. He was lumpy with scars. Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut